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Britt
1. I agree that it would probably be difficult to avoid using both tests for the reasons you set out. However, we are likely to be faced with two different results using the two tests. How should we decide which one is to prevail? 2. I conferred with Eric. The plan is for someone from SGS Singapore to do the testing. I would like to suggest that our expert (ie. Steve Jones) once fully briefed, speaks with the relevant tester at SGS Singapore to satisfy himself that the lab is "1st class" and the tester sufficiently skilled. Regards Matt From: Britt Davis@ENRON on 08/11/2000 05:28 AM To: Matthias Lee/SIN/ECT@ECT cc: Janice R Moore/HOU/ECT@ECT, Alan Aronowitz/HOU/ECT@ECT, Harry M Collins/HOU/ECT@ECT, Richard B Sanders/HOU/ECT@ECT, Michael A Robison/HOU/ECT@ECT, Deborah Shahmoradi/NA/Enron@Enron, Brenda McAfee/Corp/Enron@ENRON Subject: Re: D3605/In re M/V PACIFIC VIRGO PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: ATTORNEY-CLIENT COMMUNICATION, ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT Matt, 1. I'm on the same page as Janice with regard to testing, although I'd like to spin out my thoughts a bit. In my view, at the end of the day, it is virtually inevitable that both D3605 with ashing and D3605 without ashing are going to be used on the critical loadport sample (and, therefore, for the rest of the samples as well ) at the joint analysis. Mitsubishi's strategy at the joint analysis will be to get the remaining loadport sample to come up off-spec on retesting, for obvious reasons. Prior to the joint analysis, Mitsubishi will be aware that (a) D3605 without ashing is in the FGH contract and that (b) ECT believes D3605 without ashing may have a reproducibility issue with this type of product. Given this, if ECT proposes to use only D3605 with ashing (our safest bet) on the loadport sample at the joint analysis, Mitsubishi will smell a rat and insist on D3605 without ashing. The same would apply, I think, if even if ECT proposed to use only D3605 without ashing as its sole test at the joint analysis. The more different kinds of tests Mitsubishi can forcefully argue should be run, the more likely it is that one of them will show the loadport sample is off-spec. Mitsubishi's goal will be supported by the general practice of the chemists involved, who will want to rerun every test previously run in order to get to the bottom of this. My sense is that it would be very difficult under the circumstances for ECT to credibly take the position that only one test or the other (D3605 with ashing or D3605 without ashing) should be run; in fact, in light of what I believe is virtually inevitable (Mitsubishi insisting on whatever test we don't propose), and in order to keep from appearing to be overly concerned about the reproducibility problem, my feeling is that we may want to go ahead and propose both tests to Mitsubishi (assuming that it is expected that we would initially propose the proper tests to Mitsubishi, and not the other way around). 2. Can you let us know exactly who will be doing the hands-on testing of this product in Singapore? I know that we nominated SGS Singapore, but does this necessarily mean that someone from SGS will be doing the actual work, as opposed to us just using SGS's lab? As Janice pointed out, we need to make absolutely sure that (a) the lab is first-class and (b) whoever performs the test this time is very experienced with D3605 with and without ashing. Also, it is my thought that we do not want anyone from SGS there who is aware of the pre-sale analysis that SGS did of the Elang Crude cargo. This latter point, especially, needs to be handled with great care; if there is a need to communicate with SGS about any of this, I would suggest that you first confer with David or Neal. Many thanks for your help. Britt Again, many thanks for your help. Britt ----- Forwarded by Britt Davis/Corp/Enron on 08/10/2000 03:18 PM ----- Janice R Moore@ECT 08/10/2000 10:52 AM To: Britt Davis/Corp/Enron@ENRON cc: Alan Aronowitz/HOU/ECT@ECT, Deborah Shahmoradi/NA/Enron@Enron, Harry M Collins/HOU/ECT@ECT, Matthias Lee/SIN/ECT@ECT, Michael A Robison/HOU/ECT@ECT, Richard B Sanders/HOU/ECT@ECT Subject: Re: D3605/In re M/V PACIFIC VIRGO PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: ATTORNEY-CLIENT COMMUNICATION, ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT Matt: I agree w/ Britt that we need to know more about what testing has been done, but I would think that the joint test should be conducted using the same method used at loadport (regardless of whether ashing is proper or not). Not for the reason you mention (Mitsubishi may well argue about "proper" rejection, but that's not likely a viable argument, since the fact is that First Gas rejected the cargo and the dirt spec alone was sufficient grounds for that rejection), but for the sake of consistency. It doesn't matter at all to First Gas what test methods were used or will be used on this cargo -- it's no longer any of their concern. It's Enron's risk and sole responsibility to deal w/ costs following rejection -- per the contract. I hope that we are not informing First Gas about anything that has happened or will happen on this cargo (I noticed a note from Jon Russell inquiring about the cargo -- I trust that we have politely refused to tell them anything). Regards, Janice EB3861 Assistant General Counsel, Enron North America Corp. 713-853-1794 (Fax: 713-646-4842) Britt Davis@ENRON 08/08/2000 09:30 AM To: Matthias Lee/SIN/ECT@ECT cc: Janice R Moore/HOU/ECT@ECT, Alan Aronowitz/HOU/ECT@ECT, Harry M Collins/HOU/ECT@ECT, Richard B Sanders/HOU/ECT@ECT, Michael A Robison/HOU/ECT@ECT, Deborah Shahmoradi/NA/Enron@Enron Subject: Re: D3605/In re M/V PACIFIC VIRGO PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: ATTORNEY-CLIENT COMMUNICATION, ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT Matt, Thanks for the heads-up on this issue. I will confer with Janice and one of us will get back to you. Meanwhile, I think I may need further clarification about what testing methods were used by SGS at loadport and at discharge in Thailand and the Phillipines. My key area of concern is whether (as now appears unlikely from your e-mail) SGS tested using both ASTM D3605 without ashing and ASTM D3605 with ashing at all the relevant points, and whether the test results were consistent; e.g., whether the product was on-spec for both methods immediately before loading, but off-spec for both methods at discharge in Thailand and the Phillipines. May I impose on you to provide one summary chronology of the analysis done at loadport and both discharge ports, with particular emphasis on (a) whether both testing methods (ASTM D3605 without ashing and with ashing) were used, and the results, and (b) the results for filterable dirt? (You have just sent something like this for the Thailand cargo only, which I found very helpful). Also, if SGS or anyone else has made comment about the reliability or unreliability of the filterable dirt analysis (or any other aspect of the testing done by SGS of this cargo), please let me know about that as well. I appreciate your good help. Britt Matthias Lee@ECT 08/08/2000 06:39 AM To: Janice R Moore/HOU/ECT@ECT, Britt Davis/Corp/Enron@ENRON cc: Alan Aronowitz/HOU/ECT@ECT, Harry M Collins/HOU/ECT@ECT, Angeline Poon/SIN/ECT@ECT Subject: D3605 Dear Janice / Britt I know that Janice has kindly agreed to return to the team to advise and coordinate with Mike Brown's team and myself in regard to the D3605 issue, whilst I am to look to Britt's guidance for the contamination on the Elang cargo. My apologies therefore for mixing the issues for the puposes of this e-mail. The joint testing of samples of the Elang cargo is planned to take place end next week. The joint testing would include metals as well as filterable dirt, so we would need to decide, in quite short order, on the test method we want to propose for metals for relevant parties to agree. Although we believe the contamination would be dramatically demonstrated by the level of filterable dirt, the metals clearly would also be an important factor. As you may be aware, the loadport sample results which we are presently relying on to say that the cargo was on spec when loaded, was tested with "ashing" for metals. We would not be able to say whether another loadport sample would test on spec for metals using straight D3605. If it doesn't test on spec at the joint testing using straight D3605, the vessel owners would surely argue that the cargo would have been rejected by First Gas anyway, independent of the filterable dirt. Although such as argument may not defeat our case entirely, it is very likely to impact on the quantum we would be able to recover. It seems that the preferred test method for metals at the joint testing would therefore be "ashing" to avoid conflict with existing loadport sample results. We still have SGS's support for that, but we need to convince Minton Treharne who acts for the cargo underwriters as well as the Owners/P&I Club. Still, just in case details of our dispute with Mitsubishi become known to Firts Gas, we may wish to avoid proposing a test method for joint testing that would be inconsistent with the one we ultimately present to First Gas, which for obvious long term objectives ought to be the CORRECT test method acceptable to parties whether D3605 or "ashing" or some other method. That said, I think if we are able to go with "ashing" for the joint testing, it is not likely to jeopardize our position with First Gas. I note Janice's preference for US experts over European experts for the D3605 issue. Have we been able to get any US experts' view on the right test to use (whether D3605 or "ashing")? Has Enron formed a view on the "correct" test method? If we have been able to source a "friendly" US expert, we may want to have his input for the contamination issue. Your views and guidance would be most appreciated. Thanks and regards Matt I also note Janice's preference to source for US experts to assist us on the D3605 issue over European experts and was wondering whether we have been able to for
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